Stefanie G.
MI - Michigan Centering Consortium
Posts: 39
I work at a: Healthcare Facility
My job role is: Healthcare Provider
I am interested in Centering because: I am the new CenteringPregnancy Nurse Lead for a large OB/midwife office in Southwest Michigan.
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Post by Stefanie G. on May 8, 2018 7:37:48 GMT -5
Good morning! A question for all you lovely folks--we are currently trying to figure out a way to seamlessly integrate more of our care into our group space. Currently we are pulling patients from group to go to lab to have their blood drawn for 28 week and 36 week labs. It is disruptive to group, and we do not want our patients to miss out on group time. We are wanting to have our lab tech come into the Centering room to do blood draws. From a logistical standpoint, it is not an issue. We have the space and the supplies, and I think our patients will be agreeable to this method. Our lab in our facility doesn't have a door, so it is not really a privacy issue. However, we are running into some push back from administration about HIPAA and privacy. They do not think it is feasible to protect the patient's information in this setting. But we already protect our patient's information in this setting, and the whole point of Centering is normalizing care in this setting. We check our patient's in, review their medications and history, and any other care they have received since their last Centering appointment, all in the group space. I am curious if anyone else has or has tried to integrate this part of care into group, and how you did it or why it didn't work. Thanks!
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Post by Mary Fitzmaurice on May 8, 2018 8:12:22 GMT -5
Hi Stefanie, There are a couple ways to approach this. One consideration I want you to consider is that you might avoid lab draws in the same space where you are serving food; at the very least discuss how you approach it with your infection control team. I have managed this matter in a couple ways. One way is to work out a relationship with the lab to be able to give the glucola yourselves, make sure your clocks are reading the same time as theirs, and stagger giving glucolas at the beginning and middle of group. You can also offer the option of a post group draw and give it to those pt's between break and end time (earlier the better so they don't have to stay too long). If they won't let a provider or RN give the glucola, then you can stagger having lab come up at those intervals but this will be more disruptive and unrealistic from their standpoint depending on staffing. I have also sent a couple down after their initial assessment to drink the glucola while I am seeing the remaining members of group, then taking a break when the draws are due and sending two more down to drink the glucola, which puts the lab drawn usually at the end of group if timed right. Hopefully this is making sense. Where I worked our 28 wk labs were: 50g glucola, CBC, HIV, and RPR. At 36 weeks we would have the patients self swab in the bathroom for GBS and GC/CT cultures after group instruction. Oh one other note; given I would know going into group who needed labs, and if there were ever other labs needing to be drawn, I would just write them on a paper for my nurse co-facilitator who would enter orders as I'm seeing the patient and the others are checking their vitals. This way the orders weren't entered prior to arrival and "arriving" a patient in case they no showed, and also so the orders were there for those who went to lab during the initial assessment period. It flowed pretty smoothly for us doing it this way. We did have the ability for awhile to give glucolas however unless you have clear system of communication in place be aware you run the risk of them getting two if the lab doesn't know they received it. We trialed putting bracelets on the patients with the time they received the glucola, as we ran into patients either not telling them or not being able to tell them and not giving them the paper with the information. We did well with that, however due to other system changes (new EMR) they stopped this process in our practice. Hopefully this helps, and makes sense. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Mary
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Stefanie G.
MI - Michigan Centering Consortium
Posts: 39
I work at a: Healthcare Facility
My job role is: Healthcare Provider
I am interested in Centering because: I am the new CenteringPregnancy Nurse Lead for a large OB/midwife office in Southwest Michigan.
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Post by Stefanie G. on May 8, 2018 10:33:55 GMT -5
Hi Mary,
Thank you for all of your thoughts. We do give our own glucola to the pt's and we have a pretty clear communication system right now with the lab for letting them know the times they finish.
The lab girl and I had a great chat yesterday about how we can better prep for letting the lab know which pt's will be needing labs at each visit. We do our chart prep a day or a couple days in advance, so we usually know who needs what.We might trial a different process of entering orders so that the patients can be drawn during that initial assessment time. I think our providers have figured out a way to enter orders ahead of time without "arriving" the patient so that we are not having to waste time entering those before they can go to the lab.We are obviously trying to make the most of our two hours and avoiding patients having to stay or make additional appointments. When the site I am at very first started Centering, the 28 and 36 week labs were done at separately scheduled appointments.
I absolutely hear you about infection control and doing labs in a room where we also serve food. I will bring up that point as well as it is something I had not considered.
I would love to know more about your process of self swabbing for GBS and GC/CT. We would like to move towards that, but right now the Peds head at the hospital is vehemently against it. How did you start that process and did you have to overcome any barriers?
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