linzi
WA - Washington Centering Consortium
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Post by linzi on Nov 13, 2015 15:53:16 GMT -5
How have others dealt with full-term fetal demise or newborn death within Centering? Has anyone brought in a Grief Counselor for the remaining session(s)? I would be grateful to hear about others' experiences. Thanks.
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Post by Tanya Munroe on Nov 16, 2015 11:28:39 GMT -5
Hi Linzi, in case it is helpful, below is a story that a Navy midwife shared with us. She is now at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Maryland, still leading Centering groups.
I want to share a nice experience with all of you about a recent postpartum
Centering reunion that I facilitated.
One of my Centering patients recently experienced an IUFD at term. I was on
duty when she was admitted, and I delivered her baby. I saw her for a 1:1
postpartum visit since I thought she might not want to attend the Reunion
due to her circumstance. She had symptoms of severe postpartum depression
at her visit. She has no family in the area, and only a few friends. I
arranged for all the necessary follow-up for her, but since our reunion was
later that same day, I made sure she knew that she was very welcome to
attend if she thought it might help her. Acknowledging that it would be
extremely difficult for her to listen to the birth stories of the other
Centering patients, I really did not expect her to attend.
To my pleasant surprise, she showed up thirty minutes into the reunion, just
as we were starting to share birth stories. There was an awkward silence at
first, as she sat in the circle and began sobbing. We then continued with
our sharing while she listened and cried silently. After everyone had
shared their birth story, I let her know that if she felt like telling her
story with us, we were all here to listen. She did not speak at first, and
I thought perhaps I had made a mistake by asking her to share, but she then
softly spoke, "I guess I can tell my story..." She then related to us all
the details of her experience. She spoke about how 'beautiful and perfect'
her daughter was at birth, and how she treasured the moments that she was
able to hold her. Even the grandparents were able to make it to San Diego
and hold their grandchild.
When she finished her story, each of the Centering women got up one by one,
came over, and gave her a big hug. We then exchanged contact information
like we always do at a Centering reunion, and I heard many of the women
reaching out to her with an intention to stay in touch. The patient told me
that she was glad she came, and that she felt a little bit better.
This story epitomizes the purpose of Centering to provide a support group to
our young sailors who may be socially isolated.
Thank you for your continued support of Centering.
Very Respectfully,
LCDR Sara Shaffer
Certified Nurse Midwife
Centering Pregnancy Coordinator
Naval Medical Center San Diego
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linzi
WA - Washington Centering Consortium
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Post by linzi on Nov 17, 2015 12:53:13 GMT -5
Thanks so much for sharing Tanya - yes, it was certainly useful to read that story. We will be gathering as a group again shortly, perhaps I'll post an update in case it's useful for others to read about how the loss was processed within Centering ...
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Post by Tanya Munroe on Nov 19, 2015 8:59:48 GMT -5
Yes, please do!
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Chelsey Caley
MI - Michigan Centering Consortium
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Post by Chelsey Caley on Jan 5, 2017 12:21:06 GMT -5
We also had a term IUFD in one of our groups and a SIDS death at 6 weeks of age in another group. We did similar things to the story above and asked the women if they wanted us to share with the other participants. In both circumstances they did let us share and we made cards for them and had everyone sign. We also had close individual follow up and in the second group, other women did keep in touch for support.
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Wenonah (she/they)
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I am interested in Centering because: ...it's about relationships and support being recognized as an essential component of health & Healthcare. The lasting connections created during the transformational year of pregnancy is an invaluable asset for new parents.
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Post by Wenonah (she/they) on Jun 15, 2020 22:13:01 GMT -5
I wanted to share these links below, as I had to do some research of my own for my group tonight. We were meeting for the first time since one of our members has a full term loss about 10 days ago. The mother who lost her baby was not ready to come back to group, but the midwife and I have been communicating with her. She gave us permission to share some of her story with the group. In fact, she wanted the group to know about the passing of her daughter. She wanted her daughter's life to be acknowledged. I had already reached out individually to the group members to share the news. It still felt very difficult to have this conversation. One person opted not to come because she felt it would be too vulnerable for her in her 40th week. My intention was to take care of the group's needs for answers and reassurance, while also knowing that this is a difficult, uncomfortable topic for most people, let alone when you are pregnant with your own baby. We brought up the topic, a few members shared their thoughts and experience processing. One person was brave enough to ask what happened? (How can I prevent this from happening to my baby?) It was challenging, but the beauty of having this group already become so close was that they were willing to be there for this family. How to give support (for family and friends) www.tommys.org/pregnancy-information/pregnancy-complications/baby-loss/stillbirth/family-and-friends---how-give-support-after-stillbirthFrom the MISS foundation, A guide to offering support to a bereaved family of infant loss
earthmamaorganics.com/what-do-i-say/
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Post by Tanya Munroe on Jun 16, 2020 14:55:55 GMT -5
Thank you for this, Wenonah. I'm so sorry for your Mom's, your group's and your loss of a precious daughter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 13:47:36 GMT -5
Thank you to everyone who has responded to Linzi's question. While working at Clinica Family Health, two of the Mom's in separate pregnancy groups I was co-facilitating had fetal demises. In both groups we offered these parents several options: whether they would like to come back and share their loss with the group, have us share their loss with the group or not share anything. Both sets of parents wanted their group to know about the loss, one opted for us to tell the group and also let us know what she wanted shared, and the other returned to the group (some still pregnant, some with infants) to share their loss and have that critical group support. Both sets of parents were followed postpartum closely in the clinic, but I was amazed at the group support and cuddling that happened for both. The couple who didn't want to come and tell everyone was willing to get calls or letters and the group responded with support that surprised and was welcomed by this couple who didn't feel so isolated after the fact. Newborn loss resources were connected with both families which was so important as it was a connection with other families who had also experienced losses and then supported by community groups. As the Circle Up manager, I think this is stimulating a need for a webinar in the fall about how to manage these loss situations, whether they are miscarriages early on in groups or fetal demises later. Please let me know if you have a connection at your site with someone who you think would be willing to share their expertise in this area on a Circle Up.
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Wenonah (she/they)
In-House Trainers
Posts: 48
I work at a: Healthcare Facility
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I am interested in Centering because: ...it's about relationships and support being recognized as an essential component of health & Healthcare. The lasting connections created during the transformational year of pregnancy is an invaluable asset for new parents.
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Post by Wenonah (she/they) on Sept 30, 2020 15:33:38 GMT -5
Thank you @lscheidenhelm for considering that CHI could host a webinar on infant loss and dealing with loss in a group settings. I have taken Infant Loss Doula trainings with Amy Wright Glenn. Institute for the Study of Birth, Breath, and Death She would be a good person to contact about being a guest speaker. Possibly Amy or someone else in the organization could help. I have also attended a presentation with Sherokee Ilse author of Empty Arms: Coping with Miscarriage, Stillbirth and Infant Death and founder of Baby Loss Family Advisors and Baby Loss Doulas. I believe Sherokee is pretty active in sharing information to communities. I heard her speak at a Postpartum Depression Coalition meeting. If these ladies, or someone from those organizations weren't available I may be able to give some insight into the process of helping groups cope and resources to provide.
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Post by dillon on Oct 15, 2020 11:14:18 GMT -5
Today is #PregnancyandInfantlossawareness Day. We remember and support families who have suffered such a great loss today and every day. Light a candle to honor them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 15:00:06 GMT -5
Thank you, Wenonah, for sharing these resources I'm going to try and connect with these resources and plan a Circle Up on this topic for first quarter, 2021. I'll be in touch. Just registered for Amy's pregnancy loss course. This is a topic many of us have faced as facilitators of CenteringPregnancy and CenteringParenting groups. For those interested, Amy Wright Glenn's institute is offering her 12 week course until the end of October for $50 in honor of Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month. Here is the link shared recently by Wenonah in her post: birthbreathanddeath.com/
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